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+Q: Continuation of previous question of "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People". I have managed to find better names for many of the diagrams but there are still a few (including the previous two I shared in the last question) which I am having a difficult time finding anything that seems to fit since they are significantly more abstract.
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+A: In these cases, just call them diagrams. Something like: ''Diagram of Restraining and Driving Forces. Etc.''
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+Q: Continuation of previous question of "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People". I didn't use the best examples in the previous question, as those are clearly charts and have particular language associated with them. There are many more abstract diagrams such as these:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:7hd1.jpg?nolink&400 |}}{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:7hd2.jpg?nolink&400 |}}
+Would "digital diagram" be appropriate for these? Is there better / more visual language that could be used?
+A: You still want to do your best to name the type of diagram. This will require a bit of research on your end. I did find this [[https://venngage.com/blog/types-of-diagrams/|website about 12 types of diagrams]]. Don't forget we also have the wiki page for [[public:nnels:etext:images:complex_images:flowcharts_trees|Flowcharts and Trees]] and [[public:nnels:etext:images:complex_images:venn_diagrams|Venn Diagrams]]. If after you have done your due diligence, and you are still stuck, post it here and I will see if I can track down the diagram/chart/graph type.
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+Q: In "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" almost all of the images are diagrams such as these:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:7hcircle.jpg?nolink&400 |}}{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:7hhabits.jpg?nolink&400 |}}
+I want to make sure I am using appropriate visual language. Would it be appropriate to call them digital diagrams? Also, given they are all a very similar style, could this be something included in the Producer's Note?
+A: For each diagram you need to name the type of diagram at the beginning of the description for each image. For more information please review [[public:nnels:etext:images:complex_images:graphs_charts|Graphs and Charts: How to Write a Long Description]] as well as the examples linked in the documentation.
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+Q: "Dana's Bakery" has some chapter heading images. I know that, normally, these sorts of images would be decorative, but the first recipe of the "Cookie Dough" section actually refers to the chapter heading image in the text. (I will include a screenshot of the text but for reference, it is mentioned in the last step of the "OG Chocolate Chip Cookies" recipe).
+I'm wondering if this means that I should just include alt-text for the "Cookie Dough" chapter header image, or if I should include alt-text for the rest of the header images as well, for consistency.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:dbakeryheaderimage.png?400 |}}
+A: One of the most important thing to do in reformatting, and any type of editing, is to be consistent. You will have to describe all the header images if you are describing one. They only need simple level descriptions.
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+Q: In "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" there is a promotional image in the back matter. I am not quite sure if I should simply transcribe the titles of the books that are shown? For context, there is a list of many of these books (Also From FranklinCovey Co.) just before this image. I'm struggling with what I should and shouldn't include.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:fc_library.jpg?nolink&400 |}}
+A:Remove the promotional images.
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+Q: In "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" there is an image in the back matter which is text over a background image. My feeling is that the background image here is decorative and this could simply be replaced with a transcription of the text. Is this correct?
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:leaderinme.jpg?nolink&400 |}}
+A: You are correct. The image is decorative. Just describe the text.
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+Q: Caption or Alt text for Six Foot Tiger, Three Foot Cage
+There are some images in Six Foot Tiger, Three Foot Cage with text descriptions that read sort of like a caption, so I'm not sure if it would be appropriate as a caption or remain in alt-text. I included two examples below, the first is from Chapter 5 and the second is from Chapter 6. Not sure how to approach the text for these types of images, what do you think?
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:caption_or_alt_text.jpg?400 |}}
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:caption_or_alt_text_2.jpg?400 |}}
+A: These can be captions. Just follow the rule about surrounding text. If the image is describe in surrounding text, then you only need a simple description. For example, in the second image you only need to describe where the wear is and what it looks like.
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+Q: There are two digital drawings in 'Life at the Precipice" which include a small figure of a person next to a building. I assume this is for scale, but there is no indication in the captions or surrounding text of the size of the person. Is it suitable to say something like "a figure of an average-height person for scale" or is this too presumptuous?
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:obelisk.png?nolink&400 |}}
+A: Your instincts are correct. These types of scales are generally based on average height unless otherwise noted.
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+Q: I wrote a long description for this map (from "The Shadow of the Wind") but it turned out to be very short so I'm wondering if a long description is necessary for it? It's preceded by a different map that has locations marked by numbers 1 to 11 and, based on context, it doesn't seem like it's saying anything beyond telling people they can get to Tibidabo by getting on the train/funicular.
+Here is the description I wrote for this map: "A continuation of the travel route from the previous map. Features two new numbered locations: The Avenida del Tibidabo train station is marked as number 12 and Tibidabo is marked as number 13. The route starts at the train station. It is marked at the bottom of the map, along with a note that reads: “Take taxi to station.” A blue tram travels up from the station to Plaza del Funicular. The Funicular del Tibidabo travels up from the Plaza to the summit of Tibidabo, where the route finishes."
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:picture1.jpg?300 |}}
+A: You should still do a long description, and use paragraph breaks to help break up the description. You also need to be a bit more precise and describe it like you are giving someone very clear instructions on travelling this route. For example:
+The route starts at the **Avendia Del Tibidabo** train station at the bottom of the map. **A note beside it reads:"..."** A blue tram travels **up towards** the Plaza del Funicular. **The route continues past the Plaza del Funicular and upwards along the Funicular del Tibidabo and finishes at the Tibidabo**
+It is okay to be more repetitive in these types of descriptions, because it helps with clarity and helps avoid cognitive overload.
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+Q: Being a book about inclusivity, "Authentically Inclusive Marketing" actually already has image descriptions written out for its images! Not sure they're all the best image descriptions but they're there! What should I do with these? (First screenshot is from Chapter 3).
+There's also a big table from Chapter 6 that has alt-text that says: "Due to Alt text restrictions, please visit andhumanity.co/inclusive-marketing-benchmarks to process this table with a screen reader." Not sure what to do with that!
+Should I still try to write some image descriptions of my own? Should I write a producer's note to clarify that there are pre-written image descriptions in this book that NNELS didn't create?
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:authincimagedescriptions.png?400 |}}
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:authincimagedescriptions3.png?400 |}}
+A: Wow! This is the first time we have had a Kindle book do Alt-text. You don't have to rewrite any of the image descriptions that are all ready there, though there are a few that need either Alt-text or other work done.
+I QA'd the book and identified everything that needs additional work:
+  * Describe the Cover
+  * replace those wavy lines with content break lines
+  * Some images have alt-text that tells the reader where to find the image description, and others do not. All images *must* have image descriptions. When you find an image that is decribed in the text below, but does not have alt-text add the following to the Alt-text box: ''Image Description follows in text.'' [note that is the language they use, we use different language in house, but this is okay for this context.]
+  * In Chapter 3 there is a chart that is described. It is repeated later on in the book. In the second book enter the following into the Alt-text: ''Same line graph from chapter three.'' You can find more documentation on how to deal with repeated images on the [[public:nnels:etext:images:multiple_images|Dealing with Multiple Images]] wiki page
+  * For the phrase images, some state they are text, and others just transcribe the image with no further context. In these instances add ''A sentence reads: "quote"'' [Again we are borrowing the language from their other Alt-text of similar images]
+Update: I heard back from Ka, the table is missing a header row and difficult to understand. Please replace the image with an accessible table in the Word Doc. Add to the producer's note that the image of a table has been replaced with an accessible table.
+You can put in a Producer's Note that states most images in the book have been described by the publisher with eitherbinline producer's notes located below the images, or transcription of text within the image itself. Any images that the publisher missed, have been described by NNELS. These additional descriptions can be found within the Alt-text tags of the images. Feel free to reword this.
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+Q: Question about this table from "The Blind Mechanic." Chapter title: "And Then It Happened."
+A few words in the last column are cut off. For example, in the 9th row, it says "Childrens" and then the next word is cut off. In the 13th row, the doctor's name is cut off. What should I do for the cut-off words?
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:blindmechanicchart.jpg?400 |}}
+A: You can do an inline producers note. [Producer's note: text is cut off at end of page.]
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+Q: for the Halifax Relief Committee form from my last question, I noticed that there is a name under the "Children" section that is blurred out. It occurred to me that Eric has an older sister and that the blurred-out name is probably the sister's name. The "badly burned" description also seems to be in line with the sister's name.
+I do wonder if readers may be confused as to why Eric's sister doesn't appear to be mentioned at all on the form. Should I mention somewhere that there is a blurred-out name?
+A: Good catch! You can add in your description that her name is blurred out.
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+Q: This is an image from "The Blind Mechanic" from the chapter titled "Recovery and Transition." I'm having trouble reading some of the words on it (particularly the handwritten parts and the parts near the top where some words are crossed out). The image's caption suggests that the important details are the descriptions of the injuries and the note under "Investigator's suggestion as to what should be done." Would a full long description be necessary for this image?
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:bmechanicimage.jpg?400 |}}
+A: A long description should be done for this image. You can use multiple modalities (lists, subheadings, paragraph breaks) as needed.
+No need to describe what is crossed out. Divide the form into subsections below the main heading and describe all the data in either lists or tables depending on the data type. You may need to play around with this, it looks like it may need a mixed of both.
+The top reads:
+Surname: Davidson
+Address: 584 Gottigen St.
+No. of Rooms: 5
+Rent: 17.00
+Hand written note: Block 3 Apt. 26, North Park St.
+The second section seems fairly straight forward.
+The third section is in columns. The info is as follows:
+Children: John, Eric
+Age: 2 1/2
+Condition: Badly burned, badly injured, and two eyes out
+Losses: House (owned), Buisness (plant), Furniture and and clothing, Injury to health
+Description: All destroted (sp) aligns with Furniture and clothing, all very badly injured aligns with injury to health.
+Estimated value: hand written note reads: Claim
+The other sections are fairly clear to read.
+The other handwritten note appears after clothing and reads: "food"
+(I did archival work, and you get good a reading old scanned documents)
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 Q: Alt-text/ long description for chart in Part 5 of the NKJV Life Application Study Bible. I know this information should be in a table because of a previous similar (but simpler) chart, but I’m not sure how many columns, or possibly how many tables.
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-A: It would be better to use a more clear and direct word for the reading level, for example ''she cries: "Sob, Sob, Sob".  The prod not for this book should be fairly brief, do not use the full comic prod note as this is not a comic. Include note about illustration style, and background style. The speech bubbles can be included in your note about the illustration style. For example: ''All the images in this book are drawn as simple line figures over a background that imitates a lined piece of paper. Many of the images include the characters speaking to each other with speech bubbles, as well as sounds represented with words. These have been transcribed directly into the Alt-text as they occur.'' Feel free to reword that as needed.
+A: It would be better to use a more clear and direct word for the reading level, for example she cries: "Sob, Sob, Sob".  The prod not for this book should be fairly brief, do not use the full comic prod note as this is not a comic. Include note about illustration style, and background style. The speech bubbles can be included in your note about the illustration style. For example:
+All the images in this book are drawn as simple line figures over a background that imitates a lined piece of paper. Many of the images include the characters speaking to each other with speech bubbles, as well as sounds represented with words. These have been transcribed directly into the Alt-text as they occur. Feel free to reword that as needed.
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