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 =======Alt-Text Q&A=======
-It can take a lot of practice to get good at writing Alt-text, and even then we can sometimes hit a wall when describing images. This section is to post any of your problem images you are stuck with describing, or any images you have in general about Alt-text and Image Descriptions. All other eText questions can go on the [[public:nnels:etext:q_a|general Q&A page]].
+It can take a lot of practice to get good at writing Alt-text, and even then we can sometimes hit a wall when describing images. This section is to post any of your problem images you are stuck with describing, or any images you have in general about Alt-text and Image Descriptions. All other eText Production questions can go on the [[public:nnels:etext:q_a|General Production Q&A page]].
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-<note warning>Before you post here, please review the documentation, the questions below, and [[public:nnels:etext:q_a|general Q&A page]] to ensure the answer is not already given.</note>
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+Q: Alt-text/ long description for chart in Part 5 of the NKJV Life Application Study Bible. I know this information should be in a table because of a previous similar (but simpler) chart, but I’m not sure how many columns, or possibly how many tables.
+For kings of Israel and kings of Judah, there is the following information:
+  * Year of start of reign
+  * Length of reign
+  * King’s name
+  * Events associated with king
+  * Accomplishments of king
+  * Bible references
+There are also bars that represent prophets that prophesied during the kings’ reigns, and sometimes the prophets overlap with multiple kings.
+Here is image 1 of 4 that connect. In images 3 and 4, there are additional bars representing the prophets in the bottom section as well as the top section.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:harmonychart1.jpg?600 |}}
+A: You would do the same thing as you did for the other table. Create a heading for the prophets. If they repeat, repeat the name in the corresponding cell. If there is no prophet then treat as a blank cell.
+Q part 2: So to confirm, all of the information about each king (length of reign, events, accomplishments, Bible references) can go in one cell? So I would have only 1 table of 4 columns (date, king of Israel, king of Judah, prophet)?
+A: A table is designed for the organization of tabular data, this means every column needs to be its own piece of data that aligns with the header row. You will need to have a column for each piece of data in this visualization. Let me know if you require more clarification.
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+Q: In the NKJV Life Application Study Bible, there are links to other sections that look like asides and many include images. We have agreed that some images are decorative and can be removed. I have also come across some that include thumbnail images of the image in the section that it is linked to. (And have since realized that some in a previous section I submitted are like this as well--the maps.) Can I also consider these decorative and wait to describe them fully in the later section? Or should I describe the thumbnails thoroughly because the reader comes across them before the full-sized image?
+First screenshot is an example of already-determined-to-be-decorative images. Second is an example of a thumbnail.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:linkdecorative.jpg?400 |}}
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:linkdecorativeq.jpg?400 |}}
+A: Both are decorative.
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+Q: Follow up question about the timeline lists in NKJV Life Application Study Bible. I’m not sure if ordered or unordered lists are better. Most of the events already have dates associated with them, which means I could use an unordered list with multiple levels for the multiple events. However, the first two events in the first image of the timeline has two events that are undated; I think an ordered list would more clearly show where those events are in the sequence. What do you think?
+A: This answer is for both of your questions. Remember, when you are dealing with Timelines it is mainly just raw data, so we want to start there. Since this is a comparative time line, two long lists would remove the comparison aspect. There is also nothing to nest here, as it is all top level information.
+I would put this into a Table with the header row being ''Bible Events'' and ''World Events''. When the events do not line up, you would treat the cell as a blank cell. For example:
+| Dates| Bible Events| World Events|
+| Undated| Creation| - |
+|Undated| Noah builds and arch| - |
+|2500 BC| - | text of event|
+|2400 BC| - | text of event|
+|2331 BC| - | text of event|
+|2300 BC| - | text of event|
+|2300 BC| - | text of event|
+|2166 BC| text of event| - |
+|2100 BC| - | text of event|
+|2091 BC| text of event| - |
+For the images themselves: put the alt-text and link to long description with the first image, and then set all the other images to decorative.
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+Q: In the NKJV Life Application Study Bible, in the section “A Chronology of Bible Events and World Events” there are 10 images over 5 pages that are separate sections of a timeline. Should these be treated as a Two-Page Spread, where the full description goes with the first image, or can I treat it like a children’s Two-Page Spread, where we say that the second image is a continuation of the first? The description will pretty much just be two long lists of events (one for Biblical and one for world), I think, so I suppose it’s a matter of if fewer lists are better than more, and how it will be formatted in the Complex Image Descriptions section.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:timelineeg.jpg?600 |}}
+Q: In Billie’s Blues, there are two handwritten letters that are mostly illegible. Except for short captions, they are not described in the text but appear to be just plunked in for added value. Since I can read most of one and some of the other, is it worth transcribing with some kind of notation for when the words are illegible? I found a Q&A about an illegible newspaper article in the book Prairie Fire, but that isn’t quite the same context, so asking again.
+Here is the more legible letter:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:letter1.jpg?400 |}}
+Here is the less legible letter:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:letter2.jpg?400 |}}
+A: Yes, you can transcribe what is legible and make a note when parts or illegible.
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+Q: Decorative or not? In A Sky-Blue Bench.
+Are these endpaper images decorative or not? While they’re not integrated with the narrative, they do fit with it: the spread on the front endpapers shows a scene before the story, and the spread on the back endpapers shows a scene after the story.
+Front:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:endpaperfront.jpg?400 |}}
+Back:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:endpaperback.jpg?400 |}}
+A: These are non decorative, as they are part of the story as you stated. They show the before and after of the story.
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+Q: Graphic novel panels or grouped images? In Helen’s Birds
+In Helen’s Birds—which the publisher describes as a “wordless graphic novel” on https://houseofanansi.com/products/helens-birds —there are several pages with multiple images on each page. Are these grouped images or graphic novel panels? I am leaning toward describing them as grouped images. Each page is one image file and they tend to denote the passage of time, as the wiki says grouped images typically do in picture books. Also, I think that graphic novel terminology is too technical for the reading level. What do you think? Maybe there is a happy medium?
+Here are the first couple of examples:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:graphicorgrouped1.jpg?600 |}}
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:graphicorgrouped2.jpg?600 |}}
+A: It is a comic, and will require to be described as such. Please see the RT message I sent you.
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+Q: Just want to check in about this image in You Look Like a Thing and I Love You that we briefly talked about and that I found a similar Q&A for (for the book Nisga'a). What do you think about my description?
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:aaaoo.jpg?600 |}}
+A: Change ''row'' to ''line'' as it is referencing a block of text. There is no need to make a list for this one. You can transcribe it directly as a paragraph.
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+Q: I just can't decide if these images in You Look Like a Thing and I Love You are images with text or if the text is separate from the image. When I click on them in the PDF, the text and image are highlighted together as though they are one. However, when I tried this trick on another image, it proved to be not such a reliable tool! What do you think?
+The images and text in question as highlighted by the PDF:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:q_acake.jpg?400 |}}
+The other image that showed me not to rely on the PDF's interpretation of what an image is (because these elements obviously belong together):
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:q_ahighlight.jpg?400 |}}
+A: Never rely on a PDF to help you with this, especially one we already know to be this messy. PDF's are very rarely marked up properly, which is why you are finding this inconsitency. You can treat the text for these as separate from the image.
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+Q: In my long description for this image, do you think the lists of attributes above each character's head would be better as four individual lists or as a table? From You Look Like a Thing and I Love You.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:120.jpg?600 |}}
+A: Really good question. I would go with tables, and you can make the names of the characters both the title and the caption for the table. Just make sure to have a clear header row!
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+Q: Krav Maga often switches between close-ups and non-close-ups, and I need a good phrase for the non-close-ups! Camera angles are something I've puzzled over with other books, too.
+A: Camera angles often don't work in most books, unless they are the more common ones (e.g. close up, ariel shot). Even with using the phrase close-up you would need to add more information for the reader to understand what it is a close-up of (a person's face? a person's hand? a cat sleeping on a couch?).
+Context is also a big factor! The context of the book is that it is an instructional book on how to practice Krav Maga. This tells us we want to use simple and direct language, and that the important part of the image is the body poses and how they change.
+When you are describing an image on its own (not in a sequence), stick to plain direct language. For example: ''The full body of the fighter is in the frame of the photo''. ''The fighter is visible from the waist up''. ''Photo looking down from above''.
+Sometimes the angle is implied in the description. For example, ''Two fights stand face to face a few feet apart...''
+When you are dealing with images that switch camera angles in the sequence, again keep is simple and direct. You can also use film language such as ''Pull into the fighters from the waist up.'' and ''Pull out to the two fighters in full figure.''
+If you have any specific images you are struggling with, please post them here.
+I will pull together this information and put it in the glossary for you as well.
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+Q: For this image in The Forest Dwellers, I just can't decide which order the elements should be described in.  Here's the image, its caption, and my three drafts. (This is a Human Narration book.) What do you suggest and why?
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:williamdisplaying.jpg?400 |}}
+. One chimpanzee jumps over another chimpanzee that sits inside an outdoor enclosure. The chimpanzee who jumps spreads its arms wide. The chimpanzee who sits looks up and touches its head with one hand. The enclosure has a wooden frame with wire walls and sits atop a platform. In the background are leafy trees.
+. A chimpanzee sits inside an outdoor enclosure while another jumps above it. The chimpanzee who sits looks up and touches its head with one hand. The enclosure has a wooden frame with wire walls and sits atop a platform. The chimpanzee who jumps spreads its arms wide. In the background are leafy trees.
+. A chimpanzee sits inside an outdoor enclosure while another jumps above it. The enclosure has a wooden frame with wire walls and sits atop a platform. The chimpanzee who sits inside looks up and touches its head with one hand. The chimpanzee who jumps above it spreads its arms wide. In the background are leafy trees.
+A: Most of these options are good for eText, but since this is for Human Narration, we wanna keep the description to 1-3 sentences so it can fit into the time constraints of the medium. This means we can get ride of some of the details and really narrow it down more. Seems like there are three main things happening in this image to remark on:
+  * Chimp in square enclosure on a platform
+  * Chimp jumping over enclosure
+  * They are outside
+We have to sacrifice details to fit into the constraints of Human Narration. This means finer details like the chimps arms and what the cage is made of can be cut and/or combined into one sentence to be clearer and more direct.
+A chimpanzee sits in a square outdoor wire enclosure and looks up as another Chimp jumps overhead [took your option 3 first sentence and added some words]. The enclosure is on a raised wooden platform with leafy trees in the background. [condensed the info about the enclosure and where it is to one sentence].
+The option above is ideal for Human Narration ID. Let me know if you need more clarification.
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