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 =======Alt-Text Q&A=======
-It can take a lot of practice to get good at writing Alt-text, and even then we can sometimes hit a wall when describing images. This section is to post any of your problem images you are stuck with describing, or any images you have in general about Alt-text and Image Descriptions. All other eText questions can go on the [[public:nnels:etext:q_a|general Q&A page]].
+It can take a lot of practice to get good at writing Alt-text, and even then we can sometimes hit a wall when describing images. This section is to post any of your problem images you are stuck with describing, or any images you have in general about Alt-text and Image Descriptions. All other eText Production questions can go on the [[public:nnels:etext:q_a|General Production Q&A page]].
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+Q: Alt-text/ long description for chart in Part 5 of the NKJV Life Application Study Bible. I know this information should be in a table because of a previous similar (but simpler) chart, but I’m not sure how many columns, or possibly how many tables.
+For kings of Israel and kings of Judah, there is the following information:
+  * Year of start of reign
+  * Length of reign
+  * King’s name
+  * Events associated with king
+  * Accomplishments of king
+  * Bible references
+There are also bars that represent prophets that prophesied during the kings’ reigns, and sometimes the prophets overlap with multiple kings.
+Here is image 1 of 4 that connect. In images 3 and 4, there are additional bars representing the prophets in the bottom section as well as the top section.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:harmonychart1.jpg?600 |}}
+A: You would do the same thing as you did for the other table. Create a heading for the prophets. If they repeat, repeat the name in the corresponding cell. If there is no prophet then treat as a blank cell.
+Q part 2: So to confirm, all of the information about each king (length of reign, events, accomplishments, Bible references) can go in one cell? So I would have only 1 table of 4 columns (date, king of Israel, king of Judah, prophet)?
+A: A table is designed for the organization of tabular data, this means every column needs to be its own piece of data that aligns with the header row. You will need to have a column for each piece of data in this visualization. Let me know if you require more clarification.
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+Q: In the NKJV Life Application Study Bible, there are links to other sections that look like asides and many include images. We have agreed that some images are decorative and can be removed. I have also come across some that include thumbnail images of the image in the section that it is linked to. (And have since realized that some in a previous section I submitted are like this as well--the maps.) Can I also consider these decorative and wait to describe them fully in the later section? Or should I describe the thumbnails thoroughly because the reader comes across them before the full-sized image?
+First screenshot is an example of already-determined-to-be-decorative images. Second is an example of a thumbnail.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:linkdecorative.jpg?400 |}}
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:linkdecorativeq.jpg?400 |}}
+A: Both are decorative.
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+Q: Follow up question about the timeline lists in NKJV Life Application Study Bible. I’m not sure if ordered or unordered lists are better. Most of the events already have dates associated with them, which means I could use an unordered list with multiple levels for the multiple events. However, the first two events in the first image of the timeline has two events that are undated; I think an ordered list would more clearly show where those events are in the sequence. What do you think?
+A: This answer is for both of your questions. Remember, when you are dealing with Timelines it is mainly just raw data, so we want to start there. Since this is a comparative time line, two long lists would remove the comparison aspect. There is also nothing to nest here, as it is all top level information.
+I would put this into a Table with the header row being ''Bible Events'' and ''World Events''. When the events do not line up, you would treat the cell as a blank cell. For example:
+| Dates| Bible Events| World Events|
+| Undated| Creation| - |
+|Undated| Noah builds and arch| - |
+|2500 BC| - | text of event|
+|2400 BC| - | text of event|
+|2331 BC| - | text of event|
+|2300 BC| - | text of event|
+|2300 BC| - | text of event|
+|2166 BC| text of event| - |
+|2100 BC| - | text of event|
+|2091 BC| text of event| - |
+For the images themselves: put the alt-text and link to long description with the first image, and then set all the other images to decorative.
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+Q: In the NKJV Life Application Study Bible, in the section “A Chronology of Bible Events and World Events” there are 10 images over 5 pages that are separate sections of a timeline. Should these be treated as a Two-Page Spread, where the full description goes with the first image, or can I treat it like a children’s Two-Page Spread, where we say that the second image is a continuation of the first? The description will pretty much just be two long lists of events (one for Biblical and one for world), I think, so I suppose it’s a matter of if fewer lists are better than more, and how it will be formatted in the Complex Image Descriptions section.
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:timelineeg.jpg?600 |}}
+Q: In Billie’s Blues, there are two handwritten letters that are mostly illegible. Except for short captions, they are not described in the text but appear to be just plunked in for added value. Since I can read most of one and some of the other, is it worth transcribing with some kind of notation for when the words are illegible? I found a Q&A about an illegible newspaper article in the book Prairie Fire, but that isn’t quite the same context, so asking again.
+Here is the more legible letter:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:letter1.jpg?400 |}}
+Here is the less legible letter:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:letter2.jpg?400 |}}
+A: Yes, you can transcribe what is legible and make a note when parts or illegible.
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+Q: Decorative or not? In A Sky-Blue Bench.
+Are these endpaper images decorative or not? While they’re not integrated with the narrative, they do fit with it: the spread on the front endpapers shows a scene before the story, and the spread on the back endpapers shows a scene after the story.
+Front:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:endpaperfront.jpg?400 |}}
+Back:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:endpaperback.jpg?400 |}}
+A: These are non decorative, as they are part of the story as you stated. They show the before and after of the story.
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+Q: Graphic novel panels or grouped images? In Helen’s Birds
+In Helen’s Birds—which the publisher describes as a “wordless graphic novel” on https://houseofanansi.com/products/helens-birds —there are several pages with multiple images on each page. Are these grouped images or graphic novel panels? I am leaning toward describing them as grouped images. Each page is one image file and they tend to denote the passage of time, as the wiki says grouped images typically do in picture books. Also, I think that graphic novel terminology is too technical for the reading level. What do you think? Maybe there is a happy medium?
+Here are the first couple of examples:
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:graphicorgrouped1.jpg?600 |}}
+{{ :public:nnels:etext:images:graphicorgrouped2.jpg?600 |}}
+A: It is a comic, and will require to be described as such. Please see the RT message I sent you.
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+A: Change ''row'' to ''line'' as it is referencing a block of text. There is no need to make a list for this one. You can transcribe it directly as a paragraph.
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+A: Never rely on a PDF to help you with this, especially one we already know to be this messy. PDF's are very rarely marked up properly, which is why you are finding this inconsitency. You can treat the text for these as separate from the image.
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+A: Really good question. I would go with tables, and you can make the names of the characters both the title and the caption for the table. Just make sure to have a clear header row!
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